Post Chastity Sunday Continued: Pastor Smith Almost Uses the “S” Word, and Robert Slings the “H” Word

Pastor Smith wanted to find out why his new, friend, Robert, had never been asked to go to church before. Robert said, “I guess I didn’t look like the church type. I didn’t fit in.”

“You didn’t think you’d fit in? Can I offer a suggestion to you?”

“You aren’t going to invite me back to church are you?”

“Not yet. How about meeting with me regularly. Would you?”

“Why should I? You aren’t going to accept me. I’m gay!”

“Robert, we have so many people in our church who don’t meet up to other’s expectations or God’s.”

“That’s what I mean! You put me down. You don’t accept my sexuality!”

“Robert, what I mean is that we all have something that, if we let it, makes us think others put us down. About half of our congregation has had a divorce. That’s over 100 people! Some of our members are recovering alcoholics. An elder is an ex-felon. Are you always going to use your sexual preference as a barrier to others who are different from you? Isn’t that what you feel Christians are doing to you?”

“You didn’t hear me! You put me in the same class as felons, addicts, and failed marriages. I am NOT a failure!”

“We are all failures, Robert. We have all sinned and failed to meet God’s standards. It’s easy to forget that we are all in the same boat. The difference between you and me is that I think your choices lead you into more trouble than is necessary, just like getting a divorce is a painful and crazy experience.”

“But that’s what makes you so ignorant. God gave me this gift. You still don’t get it. I’m gay. I’ll never be straight. I am attracted to other men!”

“Are you attracted to me? You met with me today.”

“What do you mean?”

“Do you feel a sexual attraction to every man you meet?”

“Well, not always, but a lot of the time.”

“That’s what I’m talking about. Every person has to make choices. We are not just a pile of impulses and instincts. We can control our impulses. We use wisdom and logic. Unfortunately, most people make up their decisions as they go along. They are never sure. This is what I’ve found talking to other gay men or lesbian women. They tend to blame me or others for their insecurity, and only feel secure when they are around other people who agree with them.”

“So, you’re saying my sexuality is a choice? You just don’t get it. You’re homophobic!”

“I’d like to talk some more about how you make all the choices in your life, Robert. I promise that if you agree to meet with me, I won’t condemn you for your choices. I won’t agree with you on all your choices, but I won’t condemn you. We all need someone to help us think through life as objectively as possible. Would you be willing to meet with me? I’m just letting you know you’re welcome as a friend, anytime!”

Should You Leave the PCUSA?

Please listen to this interview with two other ministers. Please click HERE on this link to hear the interview. Some are saying the audio is soft so turn up your speakers or wear head phones!

This recording is of two ministers and me discussing the latest vote in the PCUSA. That vote was to remove a clause in the ordination vow for all ministers which included chastity and if married, fidelity. In the late 90′s, some felt it necessary to insert the clause, yet the Bible and standards of conduct for ministers already have this prohibition in them. Some have taken liberty with the removal of the fidelity clause to think it means a reinterpretation of marriage to include homosexuality or to include practicing homosexuals as ordained ministers. We need

A view from the beach toward Lake Huron at Cedar Campus (MI).

to see options at this time since some PCUSA churches and members consider pulling out of their home church or denomination the only option. As we were recording (outdoors, by Lake Huron, on a picnic table) Jon Opgenorth, a minister in the Reformed Church in America, joined us.

Confession

 

Prayer of Confession 3 (p. 88)
Book of Common Worship
Gracious God,
Our sins are too heavy to carry,
Too real to hide,
And too deep to undo.
Forgive what our lips tremble to name,
What our hearts can no longer bear,
And what has become for us a consuming fire of judgment.
Set us free from a past that we cannot change;
Open to us a future in which we can be changed;
And grant us peace
To grow more and more in your likeness and image;
Through Jesus Christ, the light of the world.
(Addendum for Absolution)
Brother/Sister, your sins are forgiven through Jesus Christ alone.
You have redemption for your sins
through his death on the cross, his burial, and resurrection.
Because of the grace of the Father
shown through His Son, Jesus Christ,
He absolves you of all your sin.
All your sins are removed
as far as the east is from the west.
Go now and sin now more.
Go in peace to love and serve the Lord!